# Does An Old Vise Weigh More Than A New One?

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**Created:** [September 16, 2025, 7:39pm UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/does-an-old-vise-weigh-more-than-a-new-one/3949 "2025-09-16T19:39:34Z")\
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**Author:** ![Fireball-Tool](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/fireball-tool/32/4077_2.png) [@Fireball-Tool](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/Fireball-Tool)\
**Post date:** [September 16, 2025, 7:39pm UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/does-an-old-vise-weigh-more-than-a-new-one/3949/1 "2025-09-16T19:39:34Z")

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There’s a long-running claim on the internet that says the Record No. 6 is “The best vise ever made.” To evaluate that statement, we’ll focus on a different aspect of engineering and design compared to the Fireball hardtail vise!

 ![Record No. 6 Vise Display](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/3/386664f3bb2130b91bbee6ebd1d9e5cb5ef10350.jpeg)

 ![Lifting The Fireball Hardtail Vise Fresh Off A Shipping Crate](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/e/e8a48285e3087d0d35a2cc5dc5459840b9d6194b.jpeg)

 ![Fireball Tool 510 Hardtail Vise Now On Top Of Steel Table](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/a/a0fbfa4f90bd507bf27cea4ae7b2e0f85b4eca89.jpeg)

Since the Fireball Hardtail 614 is substantially larger (+200 lbs compared to the No. 6), I included the Fireball 510 for a closer comparison.

 ![Fireball Hardtail Vise 614 & 510 Side By Side](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/f/fc69f59ab54c96ff24acbd950adbd90626f2b64b.jpeg)

 ![Fireball Tool 510 Hardtail Vise Now On Top Of Steel Table](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/a/a0fbfa4f90bd507bf27cea4ae7b2e0f85b4eca89.jpeg)

For context, the Fireball 510 is a 3/4-scale version of the 614, but still equipped with a swivel base. I also brought in the “Record No. 5 Vise” to provide an additional reference point for the Record No. 6 Vise.

 ![Fireball Tool 510 Hardtail Vise Compared To The Fireball Tool 614 Hardtail Vise](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/d/d2720f12f96bba9dcc3009cca93e8e0354f0c543.jpeg)

 ![Record No. 6 Vise Being Pulled Next To The Fireball 510 Vise](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/7/736a7ecb710b6142c562e3bdb4010d5b4d6db983.jpeg)

 ![Record No. 5 Vise Being Pulled Next To The Record No. 6 Vise](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/9/97365eb316daf003a798121db045073bda177d78.jpeg)

 ![All Of The Vises Now Lined Up In Size Comparison](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/c/c0efee7e0e2e10ff253f6dc5f2672bd800639f88.jpeg)

Now that we are in a similar playing field, let’s do a size comparison. Let’s do the Record No.6 first!

 ![Weighing The Record No. 6 Vise](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/a/a12f8e7327e281f927743581671c331d0d1c012b.jpeg)

 ![Record No. 6 Being Weighed](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/d/d8c3e0f78d6fc268875725a813dfa778e627b68c.jpeg)

Mass (Weight) Measured Results:

Record No. 6 → 70.9 lbs (32.2 kg)

 ![Record No. 6 Weighs 70.9 LBS](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/c/cd8976c9052fab06df370c48b80def26896c2b5a.jpeg)

 ![Record No. 6 Weighs 32 KG](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/7/78222239a49ae8b1d41ae30aae5696e6413166e5.jpeg)

Now, let’s see how much the Fireball 510 hardtail weighs.

 ![Weighing The Fireball Hardtail 510 Vise](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/c/c2a8073428edd0fcc6d695b86209ce572693ff26.jpeg)

 ![Fireball 510 Hardtail Vise Being Weighed](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/0/0e2f03b055d8c4a12159c0b990444e8b7c87a109.jpeg)

Fireball 510 → 144 lbs (65.3 kg)

 ![Fireball 510 Hardtail Vise Weighs 144.4 LBS](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/7/79f75b8c9e1e0d9f6819ebcb3a32534c9bfdf891.jpeg)

 ![Fireball 510 Hardtail Vise Weighs 65.30 KG](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/3/355c8fb5c5315416ae8b28d354dd538b4cbee28d.jpeg)

Even when scaled down, the Fireball 510 has more than double the mass of the Record No. 6. While weight isn’t a complete measure of strength or performance, it does indicate a significant difference in material volume and overall build.

 ![Fireball Tool 510 Hardtail Vise Now On Top Of Steel Table](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/a/a0fbfa4f90bd507bf27cea4ae7b2e0f85b4eca89.jpeg)