# Teasing The Next Undercover Fab-Shop Video - \*VIDEO INSIDE\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Welding & Fabrication\ **Created:** [September 19, 2023, 12:22am UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325 "2023-09-19T00:22:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Fireball\_Jason](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/fireball_jason/32/52_2.png) [@Fireball\_Jason](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/Fireball_Jason)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 12:22am UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/1 "2023-09-19T00:22:35Z")
EXCLUSIVE FORUM VIDEO: [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/1X/d5990932b903cd79b48230fb87437e81e86dea30.jpeg "Undercover Frame Welding Part 2 Teaser") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zn7Y-U9R4o) I just got back all of the parts that we sent out to some local fab shops and I wanted to give you guys, the forum users, an exclusive peak at the work and a small dive into why this challenge is more difficult than it appears. Give the plans a try for yourself and see if you can make this part! ![Table Base Print Final TypoFixed](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/1X/2df48f577a04e3b84ea21ca6f07bd44a6d754d2d.png) To catch up on this series, watch our last two videos here: Part 1: [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/1X/4a407a3bf3b499bbb88c3ec36a6dd078333bfeb4.jpeg "The Unexpected Problem of Frame Welding") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN0Q5_MDeGU) Part 2: [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/1X/0a37c8ee97e00aaf1678a91903939a30442a78e7.jpeg "I Paid 600 dollars for this. Did I get scammed?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk_3BBx3Uak&t=3s) ---
**Author:** ![Stuarts\_Shed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/stuarts_shed/32/261_2.png) [@Stuarts\_Shed](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/Stuarts_Shed)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 2:35am UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/2 "2023-09-19T02:35:55Z")
That’s fun - maybe I’ll make another one. Not until I get something flat to hold it though. ---
**Author:** ![Arcwarrior](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/arcwarrior/32/413_2.png) [@Arcwarrior](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/Arcwarrior)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 3:01am UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/3 "2023-09-19T03:01:00Z")
I can’t wait to get my hands on your new fab table so I can try this. ---
**Author:** ![LarryFahnoe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/larryfahnoe/32/67_2.png) [@LarryFahnoe](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/LarryFahnoe)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 11:28am UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/4 "2023-09-19T11:28:45Z")
Jason, you’re going to be guilty of raising the standards of the fab industry. Good for you! This seems like an excellent exercise to demonstrate the value of your fixture tables. Morning caffeine hadn’t sunk in yet, so as I was looking at the new print & noting the efforts made to address so many of the critiques of the first test prints, I started scratching my head wondering about the item quantities… Then I noticed QTY: 2, doh! 😉 –Larry ---
**Author:** ![Fireball\_Jason](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/fireball_jason/32/52_2.png) [@Fireball\_Jason](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/Fireball_Jason)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 12:47pm UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/5 "2023-09-19T12:47:17Z")
@Arcwarrior Try it without the fixture table system. Document the fabrication we like to see the outcome. You’ll have a better understanding of your true skill set. ---
**Author:** ![cvairwerks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@cvairwerks](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/cvairwerks)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 2:40pm UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/6 "2023-09-19T14:40:02Z")
Jason: Are there two typos in the cut specifications? ---
**Author:** ![cvairwerks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@cvairwerks](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/cvairwerks)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/9 "2023-09-19T18:31:44Z")
How would one cut miters on two sides of a 4 sided tube? I can understand cutting miters on ends… 😀 Always up for learning new fab techniques… ---
**Author:** ![Fireball\_Jason](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/fireball_jason/32/52_2.png) [@Fireball\_Jason](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/Fireball_Jason)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 6:44pm UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/10 "2023-09-19T18:44:36Z")
@cvairwerks What’s this question in reference to? ---
**Author:** ![cvairwerks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@cvairwerks](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/cvairwerks)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 7:09pm UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/11 "2023-09-19T19:09:29Z")
Jason: The first two Cut specifications in the drawing tell you to cut 45 degree miters on both sides of tubes… All the callouts I’ve ever seen in the production and test world, the spec would be something close to “Miter ends at 45 degrees, per top view”. ---
**Author:** ![Fireball\_Jason](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/fireball_jason/32/52_2.png) [@Fireball\_Jason](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/Fireball_Jason)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 7:20pm UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/12 "2023-09-19T19:20:59Z")
@cvairwerks I think it’s pretty clear how the tubes should be cut. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaMetalworks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e19adc/32.png) [@ArizonaMetalworks](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/ArizonaMetalworks)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 8:45pm UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/13 "2023-11-28T20:45:31Z")
45 both ends is better grammar, but with the drawing its hard to throw stones at the grammar ---
**Author:** ![Miyu\_Rosewood](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/miyu_rosewood/32/1847_2.png) [@Miyu\_Rosewood](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/Miyu_Rosewood)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/14 "2024-03-06T23:23:42Z")
I had formal education as a technologist in welding and had some expierence at work in past. The statement about skill vs expirience: I belive that in THIS case the shop worker’s expirience is what actually had hindered them. 1. it’s very unusually tight tolerances fo a one-off item. 2. they got used to the fact that clients overestimate the requred precision but don’t complain. That’s what happens alot even in mass production. 3. expirience may cause overconfidence. A sloppy work in measurement and perparation. I can’t explain fail of the aluminum frame. It actually looks like by accident they took wrong pipe size after calculating how to cut it for a correct size, and they had only limiters from inside of frame, so that was overlooked. They never checked their work. The only thing that can compare with these tables are table that use dovetail fixtures, but that’s usually reserved for far more precise stuff. PS. Sorry for my English or possible confusion in terms. ESL ---
**Author:** ![Miyu\_Rosewood](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/miyu_rosewood/32/1847_2.png) [@Miyu\_Rosewood](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/Miyu_Rosewood)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 11:31pm UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/15 "2024-03-06T23:31:18Z")
You’d be surprised. If somene got used to one phrasing, they may get confused if they see something else and assume that author had meant something different. But they must ask about it, so it shouldn’t be a problem. Russians joke that tchnologist version of Murphy’s law is “If you give a task and don’t get questions in return, then the task requirments were misunderstood”. ---
**Author:** ![mark\_dube](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/mark_dube/32/1952_2.png) [@mark\_dube](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/mark_dube)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 10:34am UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/16 "2024-04-01T10:34:02Z")
I have been watching all the feeds on the worth of the fixture table. I have a question to all the naysayers. Why wood you NOT want to use a simple tool that is available to the industry that wood make a product better no matter what the set parameters by the customer are? ---
**Author:** ![Knick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Knick](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/Knick)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/17 "2024-04-02T02:36:51Z")
> [@mark\_dube](#): > > Why wood you NOT want to use a simple tool that is available to the industry I would say for most everyone its the cost. ---
**Author:** ![mark\_dube](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/mark_dube/32/1952_2.png) [@mark\_dube](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/mark_dube)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 9:30am UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/18 "2024-04-02T09:30:25Z")
I can appreciate that , however , there are several options available to fit your budget I actually went to the fireball tool web store and created a list of all that I wood need to start using this system and it was under 2000.00$. As a business owner , starting out or established, 2’k capital expenditure is/ should be very attainable and very easy to amortize over even 12 months wood be 160 $ a month ….40$ a week …. 8$ a day … there is no reason why this should stop any professional to NOT. use this system . It has all pros an NO cons. Frankly if you can’t absorb 8 $ a day in your operation you should change careers. ---
**Author:** ![Knick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Knick](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/Knick)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 2:03am UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/19 "2024-04-03T02:03:54Z")
> [@mark\_dube](#): > > I have a question to all the naysayers My comment was to this question. > [@mark\_dube](#): > > As a business owner Now you are saying business owners, not sure how many of the naysayers are businesses. > [@mark\_dube](#): > > I actually went to the fireball tool web store and created a list of all that I wood need to start using this system and it was under 2000.00$ I am curious as to your list, care to share? ---
**Author:** ![mark\_dube](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/mark_dube/32/1952_2.png) [@mark\_dube](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/mark_dube)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 8:10am UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/20 "2024-04-03T08:10:02Z")
Sure ---
**Author:** ![mark\_dube](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/mark_dube/32/1952_2.png) [@mark\_dube](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/mark_dube)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 8:24am UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/21 "2024-04-03T08:24:54Z")
Price ![Fab Pack Mini](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/c/c2a785bca0d82994135eaa191b10da206b5e0806.jpeg) 1 Fab Pack Mini 6-Inch (4-Pack) / Cast Iron + Dragon Scale Coat 1 x $240.00 ![Blemished Dragon Wagon Tabletop 36" x 24" (3" Side Wall) (Black Oxided)](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/0/0e0f31e5bb8821cda24dd239a00a8a23dc63bde9.jpeg) 1 Blemished Dragon Wagon Tabletop 36" x 24" (3" Side Wall) (Black Oxided) 1 x $1,000.00 ![Dragon Wagon Leg (Single)](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/0/07f001ea421aee60f425266d3f0f63919f7b94f8.jpeg) 4 Dragon Wagon Leg (Single) Height Adjustable Casters 4 x $380.00 ![Magnetic 1-2-3 Blocks](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/f/fd7dcb2ab5baea85a625fae4b4509bc550695602.jpeg) 1 Magnetic 1-2-3 Blocks 2-Pack 1 x $44.20 ![Magnetic Shim Kits](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/b/b241f088a7c920a52d1b3887f077d58be03c808a.jpeg) 1 Magnetic Shim Kits Inch / 40pc Set 1 x $200.00 ![Quick Clamp - 3/4" System](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/fireball/original/2X/5/521a3857aa3e9757b27a2db109ac8e38b0cecabd.jpeg) 4 Quick Clamp - 3/4" System 8" 4 x $108.00 ---
**Author:** ![mRhAnKbOt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/fireball.discourse.group/mrhankbot/32/1438_2.png) [@mRhAnKbOt](https://fireball.discourse.group/u/mRhAnKbOt)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 11:24am UTC](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325/22 "2024-04-03T11:24:06Z")
You should probably include at least a few hundred dollars to buy fixtures and stops, otherwise the table isn’t doing much but give you a solid surface to clamp things to. [Next page](https://fireball.discourse.group/t/teasing-the-next-undercover-fab-shop-video-video-inside/1325.md?page=2)