Video Discussion: "Your Frames vs. Mine"

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Welcome to the discussion for our newest video!

Interested in taking the Fireball Frames Challenge? Here are the rules:

Make yourself a video building two frames on camera, according to these drawings

Fireball Frame Plans
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Make sure your plate steel table has nothing on it

Have your material immediately beside it and ready to be used

Set up your camera near one of your table corners at an isometric angle so that the entire table is in frame

Place a clock (or a time-measuring device) somewhere clearly in frame

Any traditional or standard welding tools are allowed

If you make any sort of jigs or templates, they must be made within this time window

If you weld stops to your table, they must be applied and ground off within the time frame

Make sure you’ve followed the plans, and quality check them too

You’ve got up to 30 minutes to complete this

Happy welding!

If you’d like to physically send us your video, please have it sent to:
Regal Branch c/o Fireball Tool
5428 Regal St #30484
Spokane, WA 99223

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If anyone can complete this challenge and send in the frames and have them pass they deserve to win a fixture table too.

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I have one of those big tables, and just for fun I’m trying to make one of those squares on my old steel table and with magnetic angles..

I only have one thing to say. TOTAL WASTE OF TIME !!, the setup took me about 1 hour, on the fixture table, maybe 5 min

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I know right. I can never go back to the traditional fabrication methods. I wish everyone can experience a fixture table.

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is there a way I can contact you in private message?
I have a suggestion for a tool improvement I would like to discuss with you

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Hi Jason, I just thought of something. If I were one of those shops you asked to make your frames, I “might” have read the prints you supplied a little differently.

I know the prints say 20” MAX and 20-1/4” MAX, but the prints also say +0,-1/16”. Which I think “could be” easily misread as +/- 1/16” meaning they could be oversized by as much as 1/16” as well as undersized by that same amount.

IF the prints were mistakenly read that way, (which again, I think could be an easy mistake I think) then you’d need to set your fixtures to 20-1/16” X 20-5/16” and would only let no more than an 1/8” shim through.

I’m not sure just how much you made it clear to those shops how critical that maximum measurement was, and maybe you did take the time to make it perfectly clear, but I just realized that if the shops made that mistake, I’d be interested to see if they pass the dimensions portion of your test.

Don’t get me wrong… I 100% agree that fixture tables are THE way to go for fabricating, and I still love how easy and accurate it is to fabricate using my table, but I just had that thought today while re-watching your video.

Interested to hear your thoughts.

Also, I swear I saw a video of you fabricating these frames using your table and showing how fast it took you, but I can’t find it. Did you make a video about it or am I thinking of something else?

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Everyone knows what the end goal is when we ordered the frames. We were available for questions also.

Here’s the video that I built the frames with the fixture table.

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if someone miss read it like you say why would they fixture it 20-1/16 and 24-5/16?
would they not go in the middle 20x20-1/4?

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No, the person doing the building would fixture it at the correct size, but the person doing the testing would fixture it at the largest size allowed, like a go/no go gauge.

Jason did setup his fixtures as a no/no go gauge at the maximum allowable measurement, I was just thinking If the builder misread the prints.

I often see specs that will say something like: +/- 1/16” but I don’t think I’ve ever seen prints that would say: +0,-1/16” before.

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As a fabricator/engineer seeing a tolorance of plus 0 minus X tells me that this item must fit inside of something else and I will build it as such, I would lean towards the bottom end if the tolorance. This is a very common callout in industry especially in tight tolorance machining.

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